about any of those issues except the FISA compromise. I love your take on it -- you make an excellent point. Voting against the bill would provide excellent fodder for attack ads in the fall.
Really, that's a fantastic observation. Thank you so much for posting this. It helps me a LOT. I may have to revise my opinion of his decision. Highly recommended, and I really hope it makes the list.
Wow, thank you! I'm quite an admirer of yours!
It's funny, it was reading your diary and the comments that finally made me write this. I'm not angry or feeling the concern trolly vibe so much as wishing people were looking at this differently. We're sprinting for the finish line right now. I'm spitting nails re: the re-introducing of the FISA issue but maybe there was simply no putting off until next year...who knows. There it is like steaming turd on a platter, and Obama has to handle it as such.
C'est la vie!
have an admirer in me. I honestly think this is the most helpful (to me personally) diary I've read in months. It's very rare that I become unreasonable, but the FISA issue got to me. I feel better about it now, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate this diary.
It puts the whole "compromise" thing in a new (and far more palatable) light. If his stance on FISA takes ammo from the GOP and helps put him in the White House, it was well worth it. I expect this is what some people have been trying to say all along, but I haven't noticed anyone put it as clearly as you have. Kudos from a much relieved Clintonista for Obama!
Well again a huge thank you from me. It's always a little nerve-wracking to post when you're not so much a posty kind of person. So your kind words are encouraging and I'm glad it made even one person feel better.
It's a hard thing because you know in your heart what is right but there is so much more to consider. I nevery had a doubt in my mind that either Barack or Hillary would renew our national commitment to the Constitution as President. Unfortunately I think they both would have been confronted with the same steaming turd before the election and most likely handled it the same way. It sucks badly, but we've all seen exactly this sort of thing take down good people. We have 5ish months to get a grip. These things can be fixed, a McCain presidency cannot.
Unless that was really excellent snark...looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue :)
God, get a room already!
Will you pay for video?
I have a feeling you are two chicks, right?
I have a feeling you didn't read the diary...that would give you a clue as to my sex. I'm feeling like I should troll rate you but I'm new so I'm trying to be kind :)
I read the diary. It was the dueling comments that lead me to guess your gender.
I should troll rate you for soliciting me for pornography. But, I'll let it go...just because I'm such a nice guy.
Also, I'm a great big homosexual who couldn't possibly be interested in your girl-on-girl action.
Have fun!
Ah, yes...see your snark meter was broken and my gaydar was broken. Sucks to be us.
I shouldn't have played with it...oh well.
Yeah, its always a bad idea before a hot date.
Well hell, now I feel better. He doesn't want porn he just wants to be sorta rude and yet rec. He's one of them angry Democrats.
YAY
wanna make out? kidding, I'm kidding
How was I rude?
sorta rude is entirely different than rude
FIGGY/SRICKI 08
Does that mean I'm VP, or does that just make me the bottom? ;)
Oh sweetie, we'll Jello wrestle for the top billing. HELLO
Now, that could make you girls a LOT of money. I see an HBO special. You know, instead of debates. Those are sooo tired. This, not so much.
OK, speaking as a hetero guy myself, I was annoyed by the heterosexual girl-on-girl comment above, but you're not making it easy to stay annoyed.
Uh, I really don't know what to say.
Girls?!?!?!
Did someone say money?
YAY money YAY
I'm pretty sure I can turn my 2-pack into an 8-pack, for realz...and then, and then whathisface and I will get married and exploit Sricki and then and then...I'll finally get my pony. YAY.
Wow. Man. That sounds like a plan!
Oh quandriple YAY
Hey hubby, do boobs count as two of the 6 pack?
i think that question was meant for someone else.
i just read the word 'pony' and the only word that registered was 'plan'.
Boobs.... Not my department.
Yes, you three should start a joint blog consisting of nothing but this. It'd be like a combination between Will & Grace, the Marx Brothers and the McLaughlin Group.
WRONG!
John McCain IS A SATANIST!!!
like that?
Yes, except with a leopard thong. I think that's what Eleanor Clift wears.
Heh
Shows what you know, I wear Eleanor's thong on my head every Sunday morning as I watch. She knows...I know...and now...YOU know...my shame is deep but my kinkmeter just rang the bell!!
WOOHOO
someone hide this comment YAY
Please tell me we won't use that awful Jello that has the nasty fruit mixed into it?
Blech, no fruit (no offense hubby to be)
I think...strawberry or raspberry. If it's raspberry then I have a home field advantabe...muhahahahahahahaha
OK, I have no idea what I meant by that...can someone call me a cab...or hold my hair?
Just puke in the cab, its only another fifty bucks.
Won't be in much of a position to hold your hair, since I'll probably be holding mine. Speaking of which, I'd better go to bed before I pass out involuntarily!
Oh dear, then I'll cyber hold your hair while I drive the cyber cab and cyber vomit onto my own cyber feet and then return the cyber cab...I'll be wearing cyber crocs so I can cyber sponge them later.
Anyone who wants to discuss Jello wrestling and lesbians should make a regular comment, this is now too skinny and I can't fit. LMAO
My mom always makes this nasty jello/fruit/celery/mayo(I'm not kidding.. freakin mayonaise) concoction for Thanksgiving. Has anyone else been subjected to strange jello family recipes? It sucks.
No but my Grandmere made her own mayonnaise which was yummy. She also drank a great deal so every turkey, when poked with a knife, exploded in a puff of smoke...sadly the turkey came out at 10 when it should have come out at 8. sigh.
Homemade mayonnaise? It doesn't matter if she was toasting turkeys left and right, if you make your own mayo you've got a free pass.
Not that I'm a fan of mayonnaise, but I pay respect when it's due.
She was dazzling with the sauces...it was the main dishes that suffered. I loved her though, she was drink sodden yet awesome. She and her mayonnaise are missed!
I don't think America is ready for that.
Americans from all corners of the country won't be able to work, function, care for their families. They'll be constantly worried about the carpet.
The carpet!
This carpet is clean ~ Zelda the little person who's last name I can't remember from poltergeist
A prayer...dear jeebus let me learn to use the google to find pictures of Zelda the little person that I might embed them. Amen
A great big Chris Matthews HA! to you sir.
Ok. Are you trying to turn me on?
but you guys are cracking me up.
Your wine and my bourbon are blending to make a heady cocktail of hilarity.
Have you met my new gay boyfriend whathisname, he's FABULOUS!
DUH!
Charlie Crist is gettin' hitched, I thought you might be "exploring" your options.
I'm starting to feel bad for the guy. This is the fifth time he's been engaged! It's so sad. Why he feels like he needs to take the Michael Jackson/Tom Cruise approach to proving his heterosexuality is beyond me.
You DID hear the stuff about the rumored "Sex"/makeout tape, right? Apparently, Roger Stone is shopping it around.
Once again, the Michael Jackson approach. Remember "You Are Not Alone"? Remember how weird that made all of us feel?
I cannot begin to tell you how bummed I am that our power was out all night.
Will you come out to play more often?
;)
Great diary!!! Even better commentary! (ok, maybe not 'better'....but sure is damn funny!)
/me walks away mumbling about stupid electrical storms......
I will pay for the video. But I think Sriki is too busy writing highly acclaimed diaries. Always nice to hear a different perspective and yours is easy for me to agree with. Thank you
Thanks!
I think the first hundred commenters get the pay per view for free...but thank you for offering. Hey, give your $39.95 to Obama :)
Man did this Diary ever take a turn. Ha ha
It was a fun turn though, no pain in here!
People have been making that point for months now. I made it yesterday in one of your diaries. LINK
Were you feeling too betrayed to realize how hard it would be for Obama to defend a no vote on this FISA bill? The Repubs would thank their lucky stars if he voted against it. That would give them the ability to lie about terrorism and scare the shit out of people again. I actually offered you an example of what McCain would and did say about it.
For someone who feels so deeply about FISA that you feel betrayed by Obama you don't seem to have researched his reasons for supporting the bill very thoroughly.
point for months now because the FISA thing just occurred.
You know, if you made that point, I thank you for attempting to help me. However, I felt disinclined to listen to anything you said. I think you'll find that when you're attacking someone, they are less likely to read your words with an open mind. Civility goes a long way. Figgy made her point in a respectful, admirable manner; hence, I listened, and I'm grateful to her.
I don't mean to be unkind but....
The FISA thing has been going on for years. A similar bill was up before Congress in January 2008 and did not pass in the Senate. As you can see from the link, the Republicans screamed bloody murder about it.
How can you not know this and then claim to feel betrayed by Obama's position on the FISA bill? I don't understand that.
Also, my first two posts in your diary were civil.
going on for years; however, I sincerely thought Obama's stance on the issue was different. That's why I felt betrayed -- I thought he felt the same way I did about the FISA compromise. I was disturbed, so I didn't think clearly about why he'd chosen to vote for the bill. I was wrong, and I'm beginning to think my criticism of Obama was unfair and unwarranted. For that, I apologize, but again I would point out that I'm not the only one who felt that way -- a lot of his long-time supporters were very upset, too.
Your first two posts were reasonably civil, but when I tried to respond, you became very rude very quickly. I was already on the defensive in that diary because I knew a lot of people would be displeased. After months of defending Obama, people who knew me were pretty surprised to read it, and a couple of them acted like I'd become a whole different person. I haven't, but it was, admittedly, out of character for me to be that harsh. For you to attack me because I criticized Obama one time -- out of three months of standing up for him and praising him -- was insulting. You can ask anyone, and you'll find that I've been fair to him, even to the point of saying I was disappointed in Hillary's behavior (especially when she piled on during the last debate, when he was already being abused by the mods). Your attack was unfair, and I felt pretty indignant.
When a vocal opponent comes around to your way of seeing things, it's in your own best interest to say, "Hey, cool, that's great, welcome!" instead of picking on why they didn't do it sooner, or properly, or in response to your posts. Sometimes it's just the specific way the argument is worded. It's all good, yo!
In other words, don't interrupt the love-fest just to get your digs in. We're trying to get a Democrat elected here.
That's a cop out IMHO. Leaders lead. He could've avoided this by not making those very clear promises during the primaries, but he chose to do that and he should keep his word.
Wow, if I thought there was any point of agreement among all the liberal netroots, it'd be that Democrats should NEVER be afraid to take a stand out of fear of Republican attacks.
