Why doesn't Obama just quit already??

Why is Obama so bent on destroying the Democratic Party with his narcissistic push for the nomination?  

His brand of being a new kind of politician, though weakened recently, has today been completely destroyed by the breath and tongue of his "moral compass" and "mentor".  

There really is no other way of looking at this: the good reverand took control of the bus and, going in circles, is running over his former pupil...over and over and over again.

I predict Obama wins nothing else, except in NC, and that 'victory' will be by a much smaller margin than expected.  Not only that, the exit polls will show that the 'victory' came down in a stark racial divide, rendering any possible psychological advantage or boost null and void.  

So, why, Obama?  Why are you and your supporters hell bent on destroying our chances in Nov?  You have no chance.  Give up now.  

From Washington Post today:

Should it become necessary in the months from now to identify the moment that doomed Obama's presidential aspirations, attention is likely to focus on the hour between nine and ten this morning at the National Press Club. It was then that Wright, Obama's longtime pastor, reignited a controversy about race from which Obama had only recently recovered - and added lighter fuel.

Speaking before an audience that included Marion Barry, Cornel West, Malik Zulu Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam official Jamil Muhammad, Wright praised Louis Farrakhan, defended the view that Zionism is racism, accused the United States of terrorism, repeated his view that the government created the AIDS virus to cause the genocide of racial minorities, stood by other past remarks ("God damn America") and held himself out as a spokesman for the black church in America.

In front of 30 television cameras, Wright's audience cheered him on as the minister mocked the media and, at one point, did a little victory dance on the podium. It seemed as if Wright, jokingly offering himself as Obama's vice president, was actually trying to doom Obama; a member of the head table, American Urban Radio's April Ryan, confirmed that Wright's security was provided by bodyguards from Farrakhan's Nation of Islam.

Wright suggested that Obama was insincere in distancing himself from his pastor. "He didn't distance himself," Wright announced. "He had to distance himself, because he's a politician, from what the media was saying I had said, which was anti-American."

Explaining further, Wright said friends had written to him and said, "We both know that if Senator Obama did not say what he said, he would never get elected." The minister continued: "Politicians say what they say and do what they do based on electability, based on sound bites, based on polls."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/roughsket ch/?hpid=artslot



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Quit (2.00 / 0)

naw, we still have votes to count.


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:04:10 PM EST

Obama has an insurmountable lead. (2.00 / 1)

Why would he give his nomination away to Hillary?


by dystopianfuturetoday on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:58:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

because it's the only way she can win... (2.00 / 2)

and the only thing that matters to those who have subscribe to the hillary clinton cult of personality is that she win.  even if she doesn't have a pray in defeating mccain.  it's all about her...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:03:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary can't beat McCain? (none / 0)

You obviously haven't been keeping up with the headlines:

Poll: Clinton leads McCain in matchup


by SoCalVet on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:40:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary can't beat McCain? (none / 0)

Which would be relevant if

a) Hillary were in the lead.

and

b) The general election was in April.

Sorry.


by dystopianfuturetoday on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:36:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It is relevant in that (none / 0)

it utterly disproves,


she doesn't have a pray in defeating mccain
.

More Obama supporter lies.


by SoCalVet on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:46:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

dumb (1.00 / 1)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:42:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama has an insurmountable lead. (none / 0)

You mean, those he won by the undemocratic Caucuses.  That doesn't count on real Election...


by SHIBAM8P on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:10:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why doesn't Obama just quit already?? (2.00 / 3)

Yes, the leader in delegates-the metric by which the democratic party selects its nominee-should quit.

Brilliant.


by mefck on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:05:18 PM EST

Re: Why doesn't Obama just quit already?? (2.00 / 1)

Is this diary going to be deleted?


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:06:25 PM EST

I love it (1.83 / 12)


   Obama is winning more delegates, more votes, more states and raising more money...and you want him to drop out.

   There's a word for people like you...but I would be violating site rules if I said it. I'll just say that you are misguided.

   Not to mention, I thought Clinton supporters were for counting all votes and waiting for all votes to be cast.

   Apparently not.


by southernman on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:06:29 PM EST

Re: I love it (2.00 / 2)

Why did someone rate this a "0"?


by mefck on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:09:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love it (2.00 / 2)


   Some people simply can't be told that they are wrong. To them, being disagreed with is an insult.
by southernman on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:11:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why doesn't Obama just quit already?? (2.00 / 1)

snark?


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:07:18 PM EST

Must be snark. (2.00 / 4)

You can't quit after you've won. Which he has.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:15:35 PM EST

Re: Must be snark. (none / 0)

Actually, you can quit after you've "won".
Sen. Obama does have the delegate lead. But he only has the lead bc two of the most populous states in the nation weren't allowed to have their voices heard. (even if you think those states SHOULD be punished, the fact still remains that two million voters didn't get to have their voices heard and therefore his nomination is slightly tainted)

For the record, if Obama stays in and wins the nomination, I will work my ass off for him and vote for him....

But this Rev. Wright stuff is KILLING his chances. And if he truly cared about our Party's number ONE goal this year, he would step down.
What's our number one goal you ask? BEATING JOHN MCCAIN.

Vote for a fighter, vote for a winner, Vote Hillary.


by Misty Mountain Maggie on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:08:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

just the opposite... (2.00 / 2)

the only chance that democrats have to win the white house is if barack is the nominee.  hillary has historically high negatives, negatives that are structural and trending higher, not lower.  sure, rev wright is a shock to many white americans, but he isn't on the ballot.  while republicans can easily find all kinds of nasty stuff to accuse hillary of, if the worst they can say is that barack went to church, then he's sitting pretty.

we'll be taking you up on your offer (of working your ass off to elect barack in the fall)...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:15:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Must be snark. (none / 0)

oh yea how did she win because rules are just like laws that you have to obey so when you break that law you have to pay the price for it, so when you obey the rules you are suppost to be treat with respect but seen like it is the other way round when it come to the clinton. so what make her so speacial if the shoe was on the other foot we would not be talkig about this isure. all i sse is people who would not vote for barak because of the color of his skin but i tell all of you have your heaven while you are on earth because half of you will not see the heaven where god live , how can you say you love jesus whom you have never seen and hate your brother{Barack] who you see and hear each day on TV , shame on all of you. and you let the media brain wash you all but you think it is bad now just way and see thing are going to get even badder so when gas get up to $5.00 a gallon just think hillary or mccain for it do not complain because  the ball in you all hand so roll it like you want to. may god bless you all


by bornademocracy53 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:36:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why doesn't Obama just quit already?? (2.00 / 2)

It's funny that the person ahead is somehow destroying the Democratic Party, rather than the one that is behind and viewed by a VAST majority of Americans being the one that is doing the majority of the unfair attacks.

This logic only works if you believe that the Clintons ARE the Democratic Party, rather than being a part of it.


Hell yeah we did.
by Darknesse on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:20:03 PM EST

As a Hillary supporter (none / 0)

I'm just wondering if Wright has it "in" for Obama. I mean what was he thinking? How could this possibly help BO in any way?


by nikkid on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:25:52 PM EST

incredibly... (2.00 / 1)

it's possible to think of other interpretations.  if obama and the campaign truly believe that barack will be the nominee, then getting this story out now makes sense.  it's also possible that this has nothing to do with the campaign, and reflects the decision of people in the black churches to stop the attacks.  the thing is, this won't stop, even if hillary is the nominee.  the vicious attacks on the black churches -- especially by those from the left and those who claim to be democrats -- must be countered and addressed.  if barack isn't the nominee, this discussion will only grow louder, as the black churches obviously cannot trust any of the other candidates the deal with it...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:36:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's not an attack on black churches (none / 0)

What part of this does not make sense to you guys?  People have an issue with what Wright said.  He's a racist, antisemetic nutjob.  Whether he is white or black isn't the freakin point.  He'd be an asshole for saying what he did no matter what color he is--I mean come the hell on--white people created AIDS to kill black people???  Really?  Please Barack, drop out now.  Do us all a giant favor.  Or do we have to collectivly martyr ourselves so that Barack can have the opportunity to lose the presidency for us?  Believe you me-that is exactly what is going to happen.  


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:28:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ok (none / 0)

We'll start here. Why is he a racist?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:20:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

it is an attack on the black churches... (none / 0)

you seem to think that the christian god condones slavery and our part in it, while wright has said, as a biblical scholar, that god damns it.  you appear to be offended by the fact that god has damned america for this.

but that does not explain why you think barack should drop out -- except, of course, that's the only way hillary can win the nomination.  you want us to be led by the weaker candidate and then want to argue that she is actually the stronger candidate, even though she's won fewer contests, less votes, etc etc -- just because.

you're acting irrationally and asking us to be irrational with you.  just because.

no thanks...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:41:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

God doesn't exist (none / 0)

Therefore he didn't/couldn't damn this country.  (And don't even try to argue with me about god existing-=there is as much evidence for the existence of god as there is for the flying spaghetti monster--i.e. nonewhatsoever).  Yes, I think that Hillary is way more electable than Bambi--even more so after his dear beloved Rev. Wright came out this morning with another boatload full of stupid comments.  You can disagree if you like, but I think you're deluding yourself if think that BHO can win the general after this last nail in the coffin. As for winning fewer contests: that's a strawman.  Do you really think that Wyoming and Idaho are going to be in the Dem column in November?  If you do, please fedex me some of that great shit you're smoking--I could use a good high.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:56:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

then you have no reason to be upset about... (none / 0)

what wright said.  you've backed yourself into a corner here.  but that's hardly a surprise, given that you've been irrational about the subject from the start.

i understand that you think hillary is more electable.  i'm sure you thought the same about john kerry.  but given your irrational thinking demonstrated here, there's no reason for any rational person to put stock in your thinking.  what you see seems to be unique to, well, you...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:03:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What................ (none / 0)

seriously: what in the hell are you smoking?   You couldn't make a coherent argument to save your ass--all you can do is call me irrational.  I don't think you're irrational--IQ challenged possibly.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:11:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

i can't tell... (none / 0)

is it english or logic in which you are deficient?  i'm not trying to talk above you, merely point out the weaknesses of your thinking...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:57:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Neither (none / 0)

But coming from one who has an obvous lack of both I can see why you are unable to grasp the content of what I wrote.  I forgive you though.  I don't hold people's natural limitations against them.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:08:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

then you understand what i wrote... (none / 0)

and are merely acting petulantly.  your ability to forgive, though, belies your contention that you don't believe in god.  so at least one can understand why you assert wright's comments were offensive, despite the fact that they are perfectly logical (and acceptable) in context.  now we can begin to discuss why you think slavery is or was acceptable and why you think that wright (or god) shouldn't have condemned it.

i'm fairly sure that wright's comments are more acceptable to voters than hillary's contention that she landed in bosnia under sniper fire...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:33:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh shut up (none / 0)


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:40:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: God doesn't exist (none / 0)

Bamai, wtf seriously, lets just breakdwon the fact that your caliing a Black man a Buck here, I mean damn. Hey is use of the term Hitlery okay here or are we only allowing disparaging crap about Obama?


by Socraticsilence on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:24:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary gets called lots (none / 0)

worse than "Bambi".  I was actually going to edit that out before I posted it but forgot (some BHO suppporter have really annoyed me today).  I generally try to refrain.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:34:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

obama's withdrawal is the only way hillary can win (2.00 / 1)

so we should expect to see a steady drumbeat for restoring the clintons to the white house which means that barack would have to concede.  not that hillary has a chance in beating mccain -- she energizes conservatives while dividing progressives.  but at least her loyalists would be happy for a couple of months.  they seem intent on continuing the bush years...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:39:11 PM EST

Re: obama's withdrawal is the only way (none / 0)

the clintons did not invent rev. wright and then make obama go to his church for 20 years.

the clintons didn't put the word bitter in obama's mouth.


by MKyleM on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:44:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

yeah... (2.00 / 1)

it was hard to do that for hillary as she was running across the tarmac under sniper fire.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:55:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

so? (2.00 / 1)

i mean, i understand the strawman argument you want to create, but who cares?  not a single person blamed the clintons for rev. wright or the fact that barack goes to a black church.

nor did anyone accuse the clintons of making barack use the word bitter.  now hillary did claim to be under sniper fire, to add to the assorted other lies she's given (until she gets caught).  there's a reason why voters don't find hillary trustworthy.  people know she's not credible.  people have watched her stretch the truth time after time.

no one needs to blame the clintons for what they haven't done.  they have enough problems with all the things they have done...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:06:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: obama's withdrawal is (none / 0)

That's not what the latest polls are saying.


by ottovbvs on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:52:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

In case you haven't noticed (none / 0)

She is BEATING McCain in the polls.  Barack is either even with him or ahead withhin the margin of error.  BHO will not win the presidency.  If we nominate him we're going down in flames.  


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:31:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

given the history of head to head matchups... (none / 0)

at this point in the election cycle, you are (again) acting irrationally.  your conclusions are based upon false premises, and there is no reason for us to follow you down this illogical path...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:42:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't agree with me--fine (none / 0)

That doesn't mean I'm irrational.  Back up.  Second, the latest polls say exactly what I said in my previous post.  Don't like it?--go argue with the pollsters.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:01:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

i don't agree with you... (none / 0)

i don't base my arguments on false premises or ignore independent variables or try to force fit my views on the subject.  but that's exactly what you've done here, which is why i've concluded that you're being irrational.


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:54:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why doesn't Obama just quit already?? (none / 0)

This is over the top but he can't win in November. Seriously all you Obama fans he can't carry a big chunk of the trad Democratic coalition. Deny away. I'm expecting him to get the nomination but he's going to lose it. He will not carry a single southern state, at least two northeastern states will be in play, and he can't carry OH. That's the reality we're dealing with here even though the diarist went over the top.


by ottovbvs on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:51:16 PM EST

or you know (2.00 / 1)

you make that argument to scare people into supporting Hillary.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:58:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well, if the truth scares you I'm sorry (none / 0)

But if honest fear is what it takes for you to wake up and smell the coffee then so be it.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:32:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I am sure (none / 0)

thats what Karl Rove would say too.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:43:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't throw that Rove BS at me (none / 0)

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me Carl Rove.  Get a new argument.  That one is so played out.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:51:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

then do not say that its ok (none / 0)

to scare BO supporters to vote for Clinton if they do not understand reason.

Come up with an actual argument.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:15:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Could you rephrase that using correct syntax (none / 0)

so I can reply to what you are saying?  Thanks.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:18:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

let try again (none / 0)

If you do not want me to tell you you are acting like Karl Rove please do not use scare tactics.

Do not say things like: If Obama supporters do nto understand reason (as in your reasons for not voting for Hillary) we should scare them into voting for Hillary.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:21:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The thought of McCain getting elected (none / 0)

SHOULD scare you if you have any concern for the future well being of this country and the planet.  That's what this election is about: not about whether your pet candidate 'deserves' the nomination.  We should be in this to win this.  Not make certain people feel good by giving their preferred candiate the nomination.  Does that clear things up for you now?


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:24:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

and I think Obama will win handily (none / 0)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:28:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's a free country (none / 0)

you can think anything you like.  But thinking doesn't make things so.  If it did, I would be living on the Riviera, drinking Bordeaux, and wearing Roberto Cavalli.  


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:38:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

well you think (none / 0)

Hillary will win

so I can say exact same thing to you. In fact I will.


It's a free country you can think anything you like.  But thinking doesn't make things so.  If it did, I would be living on the Riviera, drinking Bordeaux, and wearing Roberto Cavalli.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:54:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

indeed... (none / 0)

he certainly has a better chance than hillary, especially given her historically high negatives...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:43:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

we are in it to win it... (none / 0)

that's why we support barack.  he not only has the message that offers a strong contrast with mccain but he's actually built an organization capable of taking on republicans and defeating them in the fall.  hillary, otoh, spent eight years building nothing and then ran a shitty campaign.  there's no reason to believe that she can beat mccain let alone the republicans.  all we know is that she energizes conservatives and divides progressives.  that sounds like a loser to me...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:54:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

obviously, you can't handle the truth... (none / 0)

you certainly don't espouse it.  you're completely irrational and expect us to be irrational with you...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:52:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

bitterly divisive primaries always lead to... (none / 0)

the other political party winning the white house.  so, yeah, neither hillary nor barack can win, given the intense bitterness that this primary has left us with.

so why shouldn't we expand the electorate and add a bunch of new democrats to the rolls?  hillary can't do that.  so even if we lose the white house, which i agree with you is inevitable, at least we can rebuild the party and wrench it away from the royalists who are trying to make the party just another variation of the gop.  this is a fight worth having, and worth winning, even if it results in the loss in the fall.  that's inevitable.  this is about 2012 and freeing the party of the divisive effects of the clintons...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:09:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If BHO was the stronger candiate (none / 0)

I'd support him.  But. He. Is. Not.  I want a democrat in the White House.  BHO won't get us there and we will all have to live with the consequences.  How many feet will the oceans rise while President McCain is in office?  I am starting to think that BHO supporters would rather lose the WH with BHO as the nominee.  Then they can feel all righteous for having fought the good fight--no matter what the damage to the country and the world that comes from having done so.  Pathetic.  Freakin pathetic.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:36:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

thats your judgement call (2.00 / 1)

do not say its the absolute truth.

I happen to think the Barack is the stronger candidate. He is doing way more for Dem grassroots support then Hillary. She went for big states 50%+1. He went for grassrotos organization in every state. He built the biggest campaign money machine ever seen. He built up an organization in every state. Hillary used what was already there. He will have this organization + dem establishment one in GE.

You keep using fear tactics. Pick Hillary or DIEEEE.
You are also calling people pathetic. Get a grip, take a breath and think about what you are saying.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:50:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

People who would rather see us lose (2.00 / 1)

with Barack than win with Hillary are pathetic.  Absolutely, completely, totally, 100% freakin pathetic.  I thought about what I said.  I meant it.  And just like Hillary, I'm not backin down from it.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:55:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: People who would rather see us lose (none / 0)

I dpn't want McCain to win, I'm in a primary state that hasn't voted yet, and my preferences are Obama> Green> Lib./Hill.> McCain


by Socraticsilence on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:19:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: People who would rather see us lose (none / 0)

Why shouldn't I vote for the person I'd actually back in the general?


by Socraticsilence on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:19:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You can vote for whomever you want (none / 0)

but if you do not back the most electable progressive candidate then you are helping to elect the republican (remeber Nader?--and we all know how voting for him helped us out right?).


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:28:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

who told you (none / 0)

Hillary was the most electable progressive candidate?


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:29:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I guess you couldn't find that echo chamber (none / 0)


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:33:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I see... (none / 0)

you could not debate this well so you are switching to insults.

You know, no one is forcing you to answer my comment.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:39:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And no one is forcing you to answer (none / 0)

mine either.  No one told me that she was the more progressive candidate.  I formed that conclusion after looking at the objective evidence.  One example:  her health plan actually covers ALL AAMERICANS instead of leaving 15,000,000 of them out in the cold with no coverage.  Actual universal health coverage seems pretty progressive to me.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:45:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And no one is forcing you to answer (none / 0)

I did the same and chose Obama, I jsut don't trust Hillary on Iraq or Iran and I think she would act in a way similar to Bush or at the very least Lieberman if she thought it would get her votes, and I've seen classmates comeback form Iraq-- people who signed up in order to go to college-- I can't in good concisence vote for someone (in the primary at least) who would send them to Iran if she thought it'd get her 2-3% points in Ohio.


by Socraticsilence on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:58:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

There is no evidence to suggest (none / 0)

(and I think it is rather appalling to suggest it) that HRC would send soldiers into Iran to get a boost in her Ohio vote numbers (or numbers anywhere else).  You can make your point perfectly well without saying that sort of thing (I've seen you make very intelligent and thoughtful posts in the past).


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:01:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OK I am gonna saying this (none / 0)

again.

Just because you say Obama will lose, does not mean he will.

You are playing catch 22.

You want to get people to vote for Hillary because if they vote for Obama they will lose. Of course if they do nto vote for Obama and he won;t get the nomination he will lose.

You are BSing.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:23:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OK, I'm done with you for the evening (none / 0)

go find an echo chamber that is more to your liking.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:26:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

enjoy your evening. (2.00 / 1)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:28:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks (2.00 / 1)

You as well.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:29:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

illogical conclusion based on your imagination... (none / 0)

no one cares if you back down.  won't make you right, but hey, you'll always have stubborn...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:57:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You have now reached the top of my list (none / 0)

for most annoying person on this blog.  Cheers.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:47:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

you're wrong... (none / 0)

but i don't need to tell you that.  you support the weaker candidate, the losing candidate, the candidate who has the highest negatives a non-incumbent has ever had -- but you somehow have chosen to conclude that she is actually stronger.  i don't know what drugs you're on, but could you let us all know?  because, you know, we might like to get that fucked up, as well...


"vision for change comes first and foremost...from me." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:56:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why doesn't Obama just quit already?? (2.00 / 2)

This is nonsensical.  I support Obama.  I don't have a problem with Clinton staying in the race.  I wish, with everything I have, that the tone of the campaign were different.  I wish that both candidates would focus on policy, and forget about trivia.  But to say that Obama should drop it, when he is ahead, is just not helpful.  As I said, I don't have a problem with Clinton staying in.  Obviously a lot of people support her, and the race is very close.  I'm not calling for her to drop out, even though she's behind by every metric that matters.  So why are you calling for Obama to drop out?

This democrat-on-democrat infighting has got to stop.  Reason has gone out the window, and McCain is tap-dancing all the way to the White House.


by writerswrite on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:54:11 PM EST

Re: Why doesn't Obama just quit already?? (none / 0)

He should do it For the good of the party


by Bornagaindem on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:01:08 PM EST

Can I get an AMEN up in here!! (none / 0)


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:36:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

ok, (none / 0)

how about: Hillary should drop out for the good of the party.

I bet you'll go on a tear about that.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:51:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm thankful she's stuck it out (none / 0)

and is still in there fightin--no she can take the nomination and save us from general election slaughter.  


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:57:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why doesn't Obama just quit already?? (1.00 / 1)

what party hillary has destroy this party i am 54 years old and i have never seen two people in the same party ven the other party more support then i seem hillary do i gust she is real a republican after all she onlybe came democracy when  she came to Little Rock Arkansas that is what Bill was when he ran for gov. so you are what you eat so all her life she was feed words from the republican veiw so that is what she is and you all can not see that ,that is why the republican love r she is one of them . they are laughing at all of you so call democracy she should go back to her party. that is why she praise mccain. either way they can not lose hey are laughing at all of you guys. they will see you all in the white house.


by bornademocracy53 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:54:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

TR'd for being an illiterate,non-sensical (none / 0)

republican troll.  Be gone.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:04:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This here's some ugly ass..."analysis"fr (none / 0)

This diary sucks.
And knowing nothing else about the writer, I would have to say, judging him only by what he has written, that he sucks, too.
ооо
by Mumphrey on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:08:53 PM EST

Yeah,,. anything you don't agree with sucks.... (none / 0)


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:37:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

you just said (none / 0)

up the thread that those who do not agree that Hillary is the better candidate are pathetic.

I guess anything you do not agree with, sucks...


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:52:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't misquote me (none / 0)

That's not what I said.  I said: people who would rather lose with Barack than win with Hillary suck.  There are no points for martyrdom here.  If you are one of those people who thinks there is, then, yes, you suck.  If not, then you don't.  Does this clear things up for you?


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:01:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't misquote me (none / 0)

I am starting to think that BHO supporters would rather lose the WH with BHO as the nominee.  Then they can feel all righteous for having fought the good fight--no matter what the damage to the country and the world that comes from having done so.  Pathetic.  Freakin pathetic.

Lets see what you did here.

1. Made assumption that Obama supporters woudl rather lose then see Clinton.

2. Said they do that because they want to feel righteous, which is both an assumption and an insult.

3. Now using these ASSUMPTIONS as facts you say that the only conclusion you can draw from that is they are pathetic.

Its only you who is talking about some martyrdom. I for example intend to vote for a Dem nominee in Novemeber. Please kindly do not put words and intentions in Obama supporters mouths.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:19:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You know, now that I've thought it over, (2.00 / 1)

It isn't enough that Obama should quit the race.
He should resign his Senate seat forthwith, and then, for good measure, he should kill himself.
That's the only way he can ever hope to atone for his sin of leading Clinton for the nomination.
ооо
by Mumphrey on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:10:47 PM EST

Re: You know, now that I've thought it over, (2.00 / 2)

And his children should be exiled unto the tenth generation.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:18:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You know, now that I've thought it over, (none / 0)

"he should kill himself"? Stop it, please.
by Jeter on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:37:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Talking about oppression and imperialism (none / 0)

is bad in the good ol' US of A is that it?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:18:57 PM EST

Re: Why doesn't Obama just quit already?? (none / 0)

The most delegates, the most votes, the most states.....for starters

Clinton is barely staying afloat financially

She has had the entire political heirarchy at her fingertips for 10 months before Iowa and she's gotten financially supporters baling on her, Superdelgates jumping ship on her and the biggest story in the Washington Post about her this week was how she was putting together a ground game in Indiana (where Obama has been for more than a month) to be competitive.

Face facts, her campaign is political amateur hour ---- reminds me of Lynn Yeakel's campaign against Specter in 1992.  

For HRC, the goal is to be President.  Problem is, unless she's running as an independent, she needs to win the nomination first.  That means winning more pledged delegates and getting enough Superdelegates to get to 2025.  Sounds simple, but her campaign harps about every rule, every contest she loses is unimportant, flawed, or biased and the map of success changes from the delegate lead, the vote lead, to some imagined concept that we throw everything out but polls that show 6 months out that she rather than Obama is the electable one.  WOW ---- screw the democratic process, lets use the Hillary process


by kmwray on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:48:12 PM EST


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